Hi all,
I've read quite a bit about engagement programs over the past few days and am struggling with just one sticking point. If a lead doesn't qualify for a given piece of content (due to program exclusions) it waits until the next cast to receive the next piece of content. Has anyone put together a successful workaround to move a lead to the next piece of content in a singular cast?
Thanks!
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Hey Racquel!
I gave a presentation at Marketo Summit 2014 on how to do this!
We use email cast programs for this, add people to the email cast program with an "Exclusion" progression status, and have the individual casts in the engagement program call the "Send Email" smart campaign within each email cast program:
This is specifically if you're looking to have programs within engagement programs, for the use case (for example) of having multiple emails promoting the same content and skipping that cast based on the business rules you set up.
Exclusion (Batch): The people who you want to exclude form this email cast. If the CTA points to a blog post, for example, you'd have a filter which says "anyone who has visited page [INSERT BLOG POST URL HERE]" and then adds them to the program as an "Exclusion" status.
Exclusion (Triggered): The on-going people who you want to exclude from the email cast. In the case of a blog post, it'd be a trigger which is "visit web page [insert blog post url here]." In the case of a content download, it'd be watching that leads are "added to list [insert name of list that holds people who download that asset."
Send Email: This is the smart campaign that will actually send the email in the engagement program. It just has a filter of "is member of any engagement program" and then as a flow step, sends the actual email.
The reason for this is that engagement programs skip a cast for two reasons:
1) Someone has received an that specific email before
2) Someone is already a member of that program
If a person has received a specific email before isn't always the best (or most robust) option, so the way to add robustness is through an "Exclusion" program status on that type of program. That way you can add them to the program so the Engagement cast will skip them, and they won't interfere with your major success metrics.
Cheers,
Edward Unthank | Founder, Etumos
Andy - Does each program in the engagement program have to have the second two filters you listed out?
Doesn't the engagement program already take that into account as it's pushing lead through the stream?
Thanks in advance for clarifying!
Hi Lisa,
No, technically the way engagement programs work is that they go down the list from Asset 1 to Asset n and find the first one email/smart campaign that the lead is not a part of and push them through that. Because of that, say you had them skip Asset 4-5 and go straight to Asset 6, if you don't have those filters in place, they'll get Asset 4 the next week.
As for the has not viewed the asset in the email filter already, that is more as a precaution if you have the same asset in multiple emails. For example, if you have a webinar invite in emails 1-3, you want to make sure you don't promote it to them if they've already registered for the webinar.
Make sense?
I think it so. Thank you!
Hey Racquel!
I gave a presentation at Marketo Summit 2014 on how to do this!
We use email cast programs for this, add people to the email cast program with an "Exclusion" progression status, and have the individual casts in the engagement program call the "Send Email" smart campaign within each email cast program:
This is specifically if you're looking to have programs within engagement programs, for the use case (for example) of having multiple emails promoting the same content and skipping that cast based on the business rules you set up.
Exclusion (Batch): The people who you want to exclude form this email cast. If the CTA points to a blog post, for example, you'd have a filter which says "anyone who has visited page [INSERT BLOG POST URL HERE]" and then adds them to the program as an "Exclusion" status.
Exclusion (Triggered): The on-going people who you want to exclude from the email cast. In the case of a blog post, it'd be a trigger which is "visit web page [insert blog post url here]." In the case of a content download, it'd be watching that leads are "added to list [insert name of list that holds people who download that asset."
Send Email: This is the smart campaign that will actually send the email in the engagement program. It just has a filter of "is member of any engagement program" and then as a flow step, sends the actual email.
The reason for this is that engagement programs skip a cast for two reasons:
1) Someone has received an that specific email before
2) Someone is already a member of that program
If a person has received a specific email before isn't always the best (or most robust) option, so the way to add robustness is through an "Exclusion" program status on that type of program. That way you can add them to the program so the Engagement cast will skip them, and they won't interfere with your major success metrics.
Cheers,
Edward Unthank | Founder, Etumos
Hi Edward,
A side question: why do you think it's important to keep lists of people who downloaded particular assets? Is there a particular case when it would be useful?
For example, in my case leads download assets through Marketo forms on the website. Each form is in a separate program, and those leads are stored as program members. Do you think it's sufficient, or does it make those lists hard to manage?
Thanks!
Mainly because the child programs within the EP are different programs than the gated content programs. This is especially important if you have a multi-workspace environment. “Member of Program” does not work across workspaces. Lists, on the other hand, can be shared across workspaces.
Thanks Dan, I see. In my case, a prgram associated with an assset is an all-in-one thing - a form download follow-up, and an email+campaign for the EP cast. So, it probalbly doesn't make a difference.
This is still one of my favorite solutions for Marketo communications. I use it every day in a bunch of Engagement Programs to tightly control message timing. Can't recommend it enough!
Thanks Edward, this really helped me too
Regards,
Ibrahim
The way I have done this is by using a program and making that decision in the flow.